I hope that this Bruce Wayne will be a true hero, not some anti-hero nonsense. I miss seeing characters who are selfless and righteous. Nowadays, people are so edgy and always want to kill others. He has what it takes to be a hero too; he saved his last world by sacrificing his life, after all. I'll probably lose interest if it's another edgy character who wants to kill everyone.
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u do know iron man kills right
You...know Marvel actually takes "war on crime" rather literally, right? The superheroes and supervillains of Marvel are commonly trying to kill each other and succeed a lot.
he made a reference to tony in the mcu,a single character from a much dulled comic franchise and he didnt say tony has never tried to kill before but the only times i recall were Obadiah and Killian both of which literally took the situation out of his hands.They both basically killed themselves when he would have preferred a much peaceful resolution . Apart from that only Bucky,who actually killed his family and caused him grief amd Thanos,i dont think i need to explain this one
what about the iron man movie (2 or 3) where he was putting bullets in people
isaiah_Bissue:he made a reference to tony in the mcu,a single character from a much dulled comic franchise and he didnt say tony has never tried to kill before but the only times i recall were Obadiah and Killian both of which literally took the situation out of his hands.They both basically killed themselves when he would have preferred a much peaceful resolution . Apart from that only Bucky,who actually killed his family and caused him grief amd Thanos,i dont think i need to explain this one
I dont recall that ever happening but you seem to be referencing those with extremis working to kill/kidnap him/his family forcibly. if you are then they also did take the situation out of his hands in the heat of it as he couldn't put them down l9ng enough for it to count (mostly). though I haven't watched that movie in quite a while so till someone posts a reference video,gif or what have you ,I think we should leave it at that
yep he shuld just keep baby sitting joker let him run around and kill more people, so that he won't ran out of villains to play his hero fantasies. "ugh look at me i arrest psychos that murder for fun, I'm a good guy" "killing them breaks the law, let the law pass justice, as if I'm already not breaking said laws by being a vigilante dressed as a bat"
wait do you think batman don't kill the villains because he is afraid of breaking the law???? I don't think so. He just don't want to take another person life because they are a human being.
Zhawan2002:yep he shuld just keep baby sitting joker let him run around and kill more people, so that he won't ran out of villains to play his hero fantasies. "ugh look at me i arrest psychos that murder for fun, I'm a good guy" "killing them breaks the law, let the law pass justice, as if I'm already not breaking said laws by being a vigilante dressed as a bat"
he's afraid to kill them because he's afraid to lose control therefore making all of his physical and mental training useless since none of that matter in the end if he can't even have self control to that level if you can't dictate if someone is worth saving or just straight up killing since they have no redeeming qualities then he's just mentally illed I'm sorry but that's just the truth
Yuri_is_not_ntr:wait do you think batman don't kill the villains because he is afraid of breaking the law???? I don't think so. He just don't want to take another person life because they are a human being.
When you cross a line, it’s very easy to cross is again. And again. Each time, less worry, restrain, and guilt is included.
Knight_Owl1:he's afraid to kill them because he's afraid to lose control therefore making all of his physical and mental training useless since none of that matter in the end if he can't even have self control to that level if you can't dictate if someone is worth saving or just straight up killing since they have no redeeming qualities then he's just mentally illed I'm sorry but that's just the truth
Why feel guilty towards a mass murder if you lost someone to an individual like that that you really cared about would you really feel anything if you ended their life? because I certainly won't and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree on that the ones who aren't self-righteous hypocrites who would claim a moral high ground towards other people in a situation of which there is simply no excuse for that man not to lose their life from their actions and by the hands of someone else
Nightly1:When you cross a line, it’s very easy to cross is again. And again. Each time, less worry, restrain, and guilt is included.
There’s 2 different scenarios and both have very different impact on you. Scenario 1: if you are talking about revenge, it’s something else. I believe that if someone kills your loved one, you have the right to choose if you want to kill him or let him go. Scenario 2: is if your a participant. Meaning you kill cause that person killed someone unreated to you. In this scenario, I believe you don’t have that right. And instead shouldn’t cross the line. you can stop them and throw the law at them, but killing them isn’t your choice and it shouldn’t be. Of course I’m simplifying a very complicated topic and each case has its own context, but I hope you understand what I mean. The point is, heroes aren’t the same as meserany, heroes are literally the concept of knight in a shiny armour. While, anti heroes (idk what else to call them. Vigilantes ?)are the concept of soldiers and mercenary, killers. Nowadays, people very easily forget the meaning of heroes and confuse it with their own meaning.
Knight_Owl1:Why feel guilty towards a mass murder if you lost someone to an individual like that that you really cared about would you really feel anything if you ended their life? because I certainly won't and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree on that the ones who aren't self-righteous hypocrites who would claim a moral high ground towards other people in a situation of which there is simply no excuse for that man not to lose their life from their actions and by the hands of someone else
it's just strange to me that it would literally take someone dying that is close to him to even consider taking a life and yet he literally sees Joker kill innocence in pretty much a weekly basis and still acts as though he's supposed to have a moral high ground in this type of situation knights and soldiers kill people too and yet they're still seen as Heroes while Batman on the other hand is wildly considered a vigilante he already operates outside of the law he's already making his own rules and yet for this specific situation to where there is simply no excuse on letting those type of criminals go he refuses because he's afraid of himself which is strange because he should be one of the most strongest people mentally due to his training and yet most versions of him will crumble the moment he decides to make that choice which never made sense to me if you're looking at it from a realistic standpoint not a comic book that a company tries to sell so they make him not be able to do so so they will keep the characters alive so they could return over and over again
Nightly1:There’s 2 different scenarios and both have very different impact on you. Scenario 1: if you are talking about revenge, it’s something else. I believe that if someone kills your loved one, you have the right to choose if you want to kill him or let him go. Scenario 2: is if your a participant. Meaning you kill cause that person killed someone unreated to you. In this scenario, I believe you don’t have that right. And instead shouldn’t cross the line. you can stop them and throw the law at them, but killing them isn’t your choice and it shouldn’t be. Of course I’m simplifying a very complicated topic and each case has its own context, but I hope you understand what I mean. The point is, heroes aren’t the same as meserany, heroes are literally the concept of knight in a shiny armour. While, anti heroes (idk what else to call them. Vigilantes ?)are the concept of soldiers and mercenary, killers. Nowadays, people very easily forget the meaning of heroes and confuse it with their own meaning.
If we’re talking about joker, yeah he can die. But what about a drunk driver? Or a theif? Or just a normal human killing once or twice, either in accidents or having no choice due to living in Gotham? Should Batman kill them too? Again, we’re talking about a bunch of different cases and trying to simplify it. But the general stand is that that killing is not good just for the sake of killing the villains. Most Batman villains are “broken” and can be helped, as shown multiple times in comics and shows. Some have even turned a new leaf, and instead are helping people. Only example coming to mind is jokers sidekick… what’s her name? Forgot… Evelyn? No… ivys crush. You know who. But in cases like joker who are too far gone and can’t be helped, then yeah, I agree with you. It’s better for him to die.
Knight_Owl1:it's just strange to me that it would literally take someone dying that is close to him to even consider taking a life and yet he literally sees Joker kill innocence in pretty much a weekly basis and still acts as though he's supposed to have a moral high ground in this type of situation knights and soldiers kill people too and yet they're still seen as Heroes while Batman on the other hand is wildly considered a vigilante he already operates outside of the law he's already making his own rules and yet for this specific situation to where there is simply no excuse on letting those type of criminals go he refuses because he's afraid of himself which is strange because he should be one of the most strongest people mentally due to his training and yet most versions of him will crumble the moment he decides to make that choice which never made sense to me if you're looking at it from a realistic standpoint not a comic book that a company tries to sell so they make him not be able to do so so they will keep the characters alive so they could return over and over again
go watch disney
The difference between heroes and anti-heroes is more about what lines they are willing to cross to protect what is important to them. Heroes will almost always choose to allow the law to punish criminals, anti-heroes tend to be more lethal and more stealthy. Some more extreme anti-heroes like Deadpool or Punisher are a bit more mercenary, but deep down to be an anti-hero, they have to have a heart. They have to care about what they do and be willing to taint themselves in killing for the sake of saving other people. However I don't think it's such a clear cut line, but more of a spectrum. Wonder Woman for example is know for having killed Vandal Savage. Many people condemned her for it, but she made a decision then to kill him. People forget that Diana is an Amazon and was raised on myths of Greek gods and a general warrior culture. Batman is an interesting character because everything about him screams anti-hero, until his no killing rule comes up.
Nightly1:There’s 2 different scenarios and both have very different impact on you. Scenario 1: if you are talking about revenge, it’s something else. I believe that if someone kills your loved one, you have the right to choose if you want to kill him or let him go. Scenario 2: is if your a participant. Meaning you kill cause that person killed someone unreated to you. In this scenario, I believe you don’t have that right. And instead shouldn’t cross the line. you can stop them and throw the law at them, but killing them isn’t your choice and it shouldn’t be. Of course I’m simplifying a very complicated topic and each case has its own context, but I hope you understand what I mean. The point is, heroes aren’t the same as meserany, heroes are literally the concept of knight in a shiny armour. While, anti heroes (idk what else to call them. Vigilantes ?)are the concept of soldiers and mercenary, killers. Nowadays, people very easily forget the meaning of heroes and confuse it with their own meaning.
well technically the only people he killed are chitari and thanos army and ten rings terrorists. actually, if you want to get specific pepper killed both Obadiah and Killian with an arc reactor explosion and iron man armor missile respectively.
isaiah_Bissue:he made a reference to tony in the mcu,a single character from a much dulled comic franchise and he didnt say tony has never tried to kill before but the only times i recall were Obadiah and Killian both of which literally took the situation out of his hands.They both basically killed themselves when he would have preferred a much peaceful resolution . Apart from that only Bucky,who actually killed his family and caused him grief amd Thanos,i dont think i need to explain this one
Wow, all the people who don't know what an anti-hero is!!! A hero can be a killer, if he only kills when necessary to save others or his own life. Early Batman comics had him carrying a gun, and he was stopping common burglars who were grabbing TVs. LOL An Anti-hero might even not be a killer, but he's self-interested only, and any 'heroic deed' that he does is not in the sense of a hero, but because it aligns with his selfish goals, which could be self-enrichment, revenge, love-of-violence or chaos, lustful desire to win a woman's heart, or whatever. They would never bother to help someone if it requires actions that do not return any benefit to themselves, especially if there are other actions that could meet their personal ends. A hero would be someone who acts against his own self-interest (such as risk of his own life), to save someone else's life, without promise of reward or public admiration. The more low-level someone is, the more likely they would need to kill in order to save someone from a killer. They can't just pick up the villain and carry him to jail as if they are Superman, use a lasso like Wonder Woman, or have the power of wealth to use some high-tech, non-fatal capture technique, like Batman. The OP is complaining about the over-emphasis on anti-heroes by writers that hate heroic characters, such as Garth Ennis, Alan Moore, and a host hundreds of untalented TV & movie script-writers who copied Moore and Ennis.
