Gravis had to laugh at the Black Magnate's comment.
"That bad?" he asked.
"Yes, that bad!" he answered with annoyance. "I always win against your father in this game, but this guy, who isn't even a Star God, beats me every time!"
Gravis chuckled a bit. "I mean, you have watched my journey, right? You know how Arc is."
"No, I don't," he answered. "Us Heaven's Magnates can't sense Heavens for some reason. Whenever you interacted with him, it was like you were talking to air."
Gravis was a bit surprised by that but realized that it made a lot of sense.
Arc had talked about some dangerous topics, and Orthar probably didn't want to kill one of his strongest Energy magnets due to him finding out too much. So, Orthar simply made the conversations between Gravis and Arc secret.
The Black Magnate probably met Arc for the first time after he came to the highest world.