Negotiations did not progress smoothly.
The Master that Ves tried to extract benefits from had little patience and wanted to obtain immediate benefits.
The problem was that Ves did not have any readily available samples to trade with. The T Institute was mainly preoccupied with producing death sympathetic materials at the moment, but that was not particularly troublesome for the Red Association to obtain by relying on their own proprietary methods.
Jovy helped a lot. Having him vouch for Ves and his claims did not entirely persuade the older woman to accept a deal that was based on shaky grounds, but it at least prevented him from getting kicked out right away.