Whenever Ves and Gloriana worked on the Adonis Colossus project, they no longer avoided discussing their views on men, boys and masculinity.
Neither of them expected to change each other's views.
Ves considered himself a man. Period.
Even if he knew that this assertion essentially fell on deaf ears to Gloriana, he tolerated her views anyway.
It helped that they both shifted the crosshairs away from him and placed it on Vincent instead.
Ves had much less qualms about disparaging Vincent's qualifications as a man than his own.
He cared little about betraying every other male as long as it wasn't him who suffered!