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machadogbcLv159mth
2024-03-23 22:30

To be honest I could give a better review but I’m just freaking tired of this type of trope, people behaving as if Naruto was the first jinjuriki ever,even in canon I think his treatment in the beginning was some kind of plot hole because while I can understand the stupid mass, mostly civilians, hating Naruto, the ninjas should be used somewhat to jinjurikis, its not as if it’s something new, he is the third in his village, not to mention in the others and while his status could have been hindden in the leaf I doubt the others weren’t shown in the bingo book

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AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

hey thanks for the feedback. I do agree the trope gets tired and in canon always felt a little... off. though I would say that i don't think I'm guilty of such. the villagers in Despite it all thought the Kyuubi was dead. so it would make sense for them to be surprised or even disgusted to discover it isn't. plus the villagers might hate on Naruto hear. but it's much different than just blind hate and isn't the main focus on Despite it All. but I appreciate the rating and your time. thanks

RatKing1st
RatKing1stLv13

Yes I understand it is a tiring trope but I think that the scars from the nine tails attack would still be raw. Basically no one would be stupid enough to let out a full scale all destroying attack like that in the middle of a village. Especially such a destructive attack. Imagine your just a basic villager or low rank shinobi and out of nowhere a 200 ft tall nine tailed black hole shooting beast just appears like “pop” and starts tearing everything you know, love, and have risked your life to protect. The worst part of it all? You are next to useless to stop it.

machadogbc
machadogbcLv15

The point here is that for the village as a government the jinjuriki is a living weapon of war, would you risk killing it or worse make it rebel? Not to mention with to much abuse the risk of the tailed beast taking control should also go up a lot. That’s why I said that it could be understood by the uneducated civilians but not for the upper class and the ninjas

RatKing1st:Yes I understand it is a tiring trope but I think that the scars from the nine tails attack would still be raw. Basically no one would be stupid enough to let out a full scale all destroying attack like that in the middle of a village. Especially such a destructive attack. Imagine your just a basic villager or low rank shinobi and out of nowhere a 200 ft tall nine tailed black hole shooting beast just appears like “pop” and starts tearing everything you know, love, and have risked your life to protect. The worst part of it all? You are next to useless to stop it.
Kazekami_Ken
Kazekami_KenLv4

I think this is the first time Konoha revealed their jinchuriki to the public. Mito Uzumaki and Kushina Uzumaki was only known by the council and a few shinobis that they are jinchurikis, and so.

machadogbc
machadogbcLv15

To br honest I don’t think it was ever mentioned in the story but it would be counterproductive to have a jinjuriki and not use it in the wars, it would be best to simply seal it in a inanimate object or a prison of some kind, or simply let the beast lose in the enemy territory, i don’t know

Kazekami_Ken:I think this is the first time Konoha revealed their jinchuriki to the public. Mito Uzumaki and Kushina Uzumaki was only known by the council and a few shinobis that they are jinchurikis, and so.
AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

This touches upon my own opinion on the matter. It's doubtless the villagers behavior in both my story and canon is dubious. But it isn't fully irrational or evil. Pain and mob mentality turn reasonable considerate people into raving lunatics repeating whatever was told to them.

RatKing1st:Yes I understand it is a tiring trope but I think that the scars from the nine tails attack would still be raw. Basically no one would be stupid enough to let out a full scale all destroying attack like that in the middle of a village. Especially such a destructive attack. Imagine your just a basic villager or low rank shinobi and out of nowhere a 200 ft tall nine tailed black hole shooting beast just appears like “pop” and starts tearing everything you know, love, and have risked your life to protect. The worst part of it all? You are next to useless to stop it.
AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

Sorry I was late to this. But I do agree ninja should be more considerate, and in my story they have been. Sure there has been some outliers but most treat Naruto more reasonably in Despite it All. His peers treated him fairly, most shinobi he has encountered were mostly accepting of his nature, and of those who weren't (unamed ninja and some samurai) it isn't a blind hatred or fear but a learned one. Regardless of them being seen as a weapon they are a dangerous one. Now personally I wouldn't let that affect the way I treat them but history has shown what happens when people are fearful.

machadogbc:The point here is that for the village as a government the jinjuriki is a living weapon of war, would you risk killing it or worse make it rebel? Not to mention with to much abuse the risk of the tailed beast taking control should also go up a lot. That’s why I said that it could be understood by the uneducated civilians but not for the upper class and the ninjas
Kazekami_Ken
Kazekami_KenLv4

Yeah, we never seen or heard it was mentioned that Mito and Kushina was in the Great Ninja Wars. I guess Konoha was strong enough that they don't need Kurama at that time.

machadogbc:To br honest I don’t think it was ever mentioned in the story but it would be counterproductive to have a jinjuriki and not use it in the wars, it would be best to simply seal it in a inanimate object or a prison of some kind, or simply let the beast lose in the enemy territory, i don’t know
AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

I often wondered about this because surely they used them in battle. Yet we get no accounts of such or even suggestions that any of the previous Jinchuriki were ever used as intended. I always figured with the Uchiha, Hyuga, various Kage, Danzo and the Root, Anbu, the list really goes on that they never needed it. (Not to mention it is said a litany of times the Leaf are the strongest village

Kazekami_Ken:Yeah, we never seen or heard it was mentioned that Mito and Kushina was in the Great Ninja Wars. I guess Konoha was strong enough that they don't need Kurama at that time.
AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

ya it seems sorta like something that was never touched upon so it becomes pretty much head cannon

machadogbc:To br honest I don’t think it was ever mentioned in the story but it would be counterproductive to have a jinjuriki and not use it in the wars, it would be best to simply seal it in a inanimate object or a prison of some kind, or simply let the beast lose in the enemy territory, i don’t know
Kazekami_Ken
Kazekami_KenLv4

That's also what I thought, since the 2nd and 3rd Hokage are already strong enough to fight the ninja wars,and with the existing clans on Konoha also strong I don't think they want to to use Kurama bacuse there's a chance that he will attack the Leaf ninjas instead with his gurdge. Idk that's my viewpoint.

AfroLord:I often wondered about this because surely they used them in battle. Yet we get no accounts of such or even suggestions that any of the previous Jinchuriki were ever used as intended. I always figured with the Uchiha, Hyuga, various Kage, Danzo and the Root, Anbu, the list really goes on that they never needed it. (Not to mention it is said a litany of times the Leaf are the strongest village
Kazekami_Ken
Kazekami_KenLv4

grudge*

Kazekami_Ken:That's also what I thought, since the 2nd and 3rd Hokage are already strong enough to fight the ninja wars,and with the existing clans on Konoha also strong I don't think they want to to use Kurama bacuse there's a chance that he will attack the Leaf ninjas instead with his gurdge. Idk that's my viewpoint.
Haraldi
HaraldiLv14

Ehh, i like to compare this more in line of our own nucelar history. They're deterrents.

AfroLord:I often wondered about this because surely they used them in battle. Yet we get no accounts of such or even suggestions that any of the previous Jinchuriki were ever used as intended. I always figured with the Uchiha, Hyuga, various Kage, Danzo and the Root, Anbu, the list really goes on that they never needed it. (Not to mention it is said a litany of times the Leaf are the strongest village
OneeyedDaoist
OneeyedDaoistLv4

Naruto's author kishimoto wrote as story progressed so there were quite a few loopholes in the story and loopholes are good because fanfic writers can use them to make good fanfics

AfroLord:ya it seems sorta like something that was never touched upon so it becomes pretty much head cannon
AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

I don't quite agree i believe he definitely tweaked things last minute. hell he's said as much but I've yet to see a loophole that wasn't somewhat explained

OneeyedDaoist:Naruto's author kishimoto wrote as story progressed so there were quite a few loopholes in the story and loopholes are good because fanfic writers can use them to make good fanfics
OneeyedDaoist
OneeyedDaoistLv4

if you have read as many naruto fics as i you will see some loopholes in the original story which could have been avoided if the story was planned

AfroLord:I don't quite agree i believe he definitely tweaked things last minute. hell he's said as much but I've yet to see a loophole that wasn't somewhat explained
AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

oh I've been reading them for ten years, hell been debating the topic for like four lol. most loopholes people point out have at least some semblance of answer (not always a good one but some sort of in verse explanation). and often find themselves disliking the answer. as such i consider it more of poorly planned writing than outright loophole

OneeyedDaoist:if you have read as many naruto fics as i you will see some loopholes in the original story which could have been avoided if the story was planned
Dragenki
DragenkiLv13

Another Plagiarising Thief, Please atleast ry to be original if u are asking Patreon. Original is 'Naruto: Shifts in Life' by The Engulfing Silence

AfroLord:hey thanks for the feedback. I do agree the trope gets tired and in canon always felt a little... off. though I would say that i don't think I'm guilty of such. the villagers in Despite it all thought the Kyuubi was dead. so it would make sense for them to be surprised or even disgusted to discover it isn't. plus the villagers might hate on Naruto hear. but it's much different than just blind hate and isn't the main focus on Despite it All. but I appreciate the rating and your time. thanks
Dragenki
DragenkiLv13

Another Plagiarising Thief, Please atleast try to be original if u are asking Patreon. Original is 'Naruto: Shifts in Life' by The Engulfing Silence

AfroLord
AfroLordAuthor

okay quite the comment here, one I'm not familiar with the work your referring to but I assure I have written all of this myself. (i mean the early chapters scream rookie lol). Also I don't have a patron? hell I don't earn anything off of this nor do i ask? I fully realize fan fics are not something that can profited off of, nor am i arrogant enough to think my work is worthy of such. perhaps check before you needlessly and ignorantly accuse someone?

Dragenki:Another Plagiarising Thief, Please atleast ry to be original if u are asking Patreon. Original is 'Naruto: Shifts in Life' by The Engulfing Silence
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