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2.4. It's not the worst i have seen, but it's quite far from a good fanfic i would say. Quite a few real bad point : " It's gonna be from one particular series, and the series in itself is going to be weaker than naruto so don't expect an OP mc from the start." --> Chapter 10 or eleven 8yo beat Jonin Anko and able to save her from orochimaru mark. I stopped at chapter 11, i felt like he acted like a cringe emo teenager with the hokage. The way he ignore him feel like he is a too much pridefull prick. I read the debate about that with another reader and still not satisfied. Actually i'm even more disatisfied since i know the way author see the world of naruto and it's from my point of view so twisted. The world is a bit different from the manga, with Senju still alive and kicking, but then somehow it doesn't feel like it had any consequences in the world odly enough. I mean obviously this is a critical thing which may lead to a completly different world, with for exemple the uchiha not being dead, since with the senju also being the only one who can challenge them alive, then there may be no need to slaughter the clan. Or at least it may happen at a much later time since it would make it harder for Danzo to convince the hokage that they are a danger to but uprooted. So yes, it's okay but really not that great, far from good as a conclusion. I won't even talk about the hyuga thing which is a mess from my point of view.
Stronger. {A Naruto FanFic}
I_Am_Soh
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Nah, you stopped before the Hyuga thing could even get sorted out. I've already explained why they couldn't touch him multiple times, so if you're not satisfied then that's on you. No, the senju clan was alive but not in the way you might think it is so there is actually not much direct consequence on the world. About the MC, how is he emo? Cause he doesn't care? That's not being prideful, it's just useless conversation.
The way I see the world of Naruto is the way the world of Naruto is. All of that friendship bs literally only applies to like 5% max of the entire world. Everything else is just sh1t. He only defeated Anko because she wasn't trying to kill him and removing the seal was part of life steal's ability. Sigh, I've explained this many times before. It's up to you if you're not satisfied with it as that's just the reality of the situation.
Im not talking of the friendship ****, but thé way some caracters act which seem very different from how they should.
I_Am_Soh:The way I see the world of Naruto is the way the world of Naruto is. All of that friendship bs literally only applies to like 5% max of the entire world. Everything else is just sh1t. He only defeated Anko because she wasn't trying to kill him and removing the seal was part of life steal's ability. Sigh, I've explained this many times before. It's up to you if you're not satisfied with it as that's just the reality of the situation.
I saw your explaination of hyuga thing in a debate with another, thzt's why i know it, and i m not satisfied, il feel like thzt's not how thé clan hyuga would react to such à situation
I_Am_Soh:Nah, you stopped before the Hyuga thing could even get sorted out. I've already explained why they couldn't touch him multiple times, so if you're not satisfied then that's on you. No, the senju clan was alive but not in the way you might think it is so there is actually not much direct consequence on the world. About the MC, how is he emo? Cause he doesn't care? That's not being prideful, it's just useless conversation.
You gotta take into account that the Senju are the most powerful clan in the village. In this iteration, they are alive and they have leaders. The Hyuga cannot do anything to him because its a simple case of they don't have the power too. The best they did was to have a talk with the Senju leader and they sorted everything out.
Precheur:I saw your explaination of hyuga thing in a debate with another, thzt's why i know it, and i m not satisfied, il feel like thzt's not how thé clan hyuga would react to such à situation
What characters are you talking about? Anko? The third? The only one I can agree with is the first part with Neji, other than that I have this character pretty set.
Precheur:Im not talking of the friendship ****, but thé way some caracters act which seem very different from how they should.
The third and Danzo. From the way he spoke with the hokage he would be sent to root. The third still has faith in Danzo and seeing such a talented ninja so young who doesn't give a **** about him being a hokage and cleaning his ass with the will of fire. Danzo would suggest he may become a danger and that sending him to the roots will allow him to controle him better and by using a few techniques he would become loyal. Obviously the third would accept, because he saw how the MC act, and he doesn't have any controle on him, that would be too dangerous to have such a savage ninja wandering like that.
I_Am_Soh:What characters are you talking about? Anko? The third? The only one I can agree with is the first part with Neji, other than that I have this character pretty set.
You say to me that "No, the senju clan was alive but not in the way you might think it is" but in another answer that they are the actual most powerfull ninja clan, which makes my point about how the uchiha should still be alive a great possibility. Even if they don't have any strong ninja and only a great political power, the fact is that they should strongly respect the first and follow his thought about treating uchiha like others. Even if the second came after and didn't like them, i believe there are much more follower of the first than the second in the senju. They respect him even more, he is the God of Ninja remember.
I_Am_Soh:You gotta take into account that the Senju are the most powerful clan in the village. In this iteration, they are alive and they have leaders. The Hyuga cannot do anything to him because its a simple case of they don't have the power too. The best they did was to have a talk with the Senju leader and they sorted everything out.
For starters, Hiruzen still has faith in Danzo as you said but he's not as decisive as you think he is. He wouldn't just send him to root when he's the descendant of one of his sensei. Again, the Senju Clan are out and about in this iteration so he still can't just do what he wants without some blowback from them. How is Tendo savage? From the way he spoke? Do you really think Hiruzen would deduce that from him or would be just think that he's someone who doesn't socialize much and in time he would gain respect for the elders and the village? You're getting Hiruzen's character mixed up. He offered to remove a seal which Hiruzen rightfully pressed him for as Orochimaru was the one who imprinted that seal. I remember even saying somewhere else that Danzo knew Tendo's mother was a spy for Orochimaru and since the two were allies, nothing was done about Tendo. He was sure that he would end up following Orochimaru and they might even be able to experiment on him. Every qualm you had as already been answered multiple times in one way or another.
Precheur:The third and Danzo. From the way he spoke with the hokage he would be sent to root. The third still has faith in Danzo and seeing such a talented ninja so young who doesn't give a **** about him being a hokage and cleaning his ass with the will of fire. Danzo would suggest he may become a danger and that sending him to the roots will allow him to controle him better and by using a few techniques he would become loyal. Obviously the third would accept, because he saw how the MC act, and he doesn't have any controle on him, that would be too dangerous to have such a savage ninja wandering like that.
No, again, you dont know how they are alive so your uchiha point wouldn't work as you dont know the context lol. Again, it's not in the way that you think it is. You're imprinting your personal biases on a point you barely know any information about.
Precheur:You say to me that "No, the senju clan was alive but not in the way you might think it is" but in another answer that they are the actual most powerfull ninja clan, which makes my point about how the uchiha should still be alive a great possibility. Even if they don't have any strong ninja and only a great political power, the fact is that they should strongly respect the first and follow his thought about treating uchiha like others. Even if the second came after and didn't like them, i believe there are much more follower of the first than the second in the senju. They respect him even more, he is the God of Ninja remember.
Wow you're the one getting mixed, your words are full of holes. First of all : The third is not decisive ? It mmay be the truth when it come to the case of Danzo his old friend, but please, you're talkingg aboout the men who let the uchiha get slaughtered, men, women, children, civilian, ninja. You're taling about the men who let the children of the 4th, a guy who sacrificed his life for the village be treated like a monster by the whole village. Please don't tell me he didn't know about those whole things, whether it's the uchiha getting killed or naruto treated like a monster, else you are not honnest. Danzo like the third both know that his mother was a complice of orochimaru, that's even more of a reason for the third to accept lettingg Danzo get him in the roots to brain wash him since he doesn't know his loyalty. And yes he doesn't know his loyalty because the only time he talking to him he acted like an arrogant prick with eight grade syndrome. I don't feel any will of fire from the way he act. He is not a person who is not social, sasuke was, even the biggest of the whole manga, so i can tell it's not about being social. Also i'm quite curious now, you're telling me that i'm wrong when i say that the Senju should have completly changed the world and the death of uchiha. So since they are the strongest like you say, but neither in a military, political, or even spiritual way, how can they be the strongest ? In what form, please open my eyes. Ps : Them being rich is still about political power.
I_Am_Soh:For starters, Hiruzen still has faith in Danzo as you said but he's not as decisive as you think he is. He wouldn't just send him to root when he's the descendant of one of his sensei. Again, the Senju Clan are out and about in this iteration so he still can't just do what he wants without some blowback from them. How is Tendo savage? From the way he spoke? Do you really think Hiruzen would deduce that from him or would be just think that he's someone who doesn't socialize much and in time he would gain respect for the elders and the village? You're getting Hiruzen's character mixed up. He offered to remove a seal which Hiruzen rightfully pressed him for as Orochimaru was the one who imprinted that seal. I remember even saying somewhere else that Danzo knew Tendo's mother was a spy for Orochimaru and since the two were allies, nothing was done about Tendo. He was sure that he would end up following Orochimaru and they might even be able to experiment on him. Every qualm you had as already been answered multiple times in one way or another.
That entire first paragraph happened because the third was not decisive. He was a weak Hokage that let Danzo walk all over him. The third didn't know that his mother was a spy, the third heard rumors and they were investigating it. And did you skip the whole thing about orochimaru? It's like you dont know what in character means. If the MC doesn't respect someone then he doesn't, regardless of who it is. You can feel however you want about it but sincerely, honestly, I dont care. That's just how it is. If you thought that's how "emo" and "eight-grader syndrome" or whatever people act, then that's on you. That's just a really stupid way of looking at things. About the Senju, they were active but they were usually quiet. Their clan head, which the hokage didn't even know about because the entire thing was a secret, usually came out when discussions were made or action had to be taken. He was powerful and they knew that. It was not an entire clan of powerhouses, it was a good few that were extremely powerful. Danzo had a bit more information on them so he knew that they were hiding things about themselves. He knew not to act rashly. So did Hiashi. If they acted the way you said they should, a civil war would be enacted upon Konoha. That would be extremely inept of people who claim to know leadership. You're assuming that the Senju Clan would follow hashirama's will but that's just not true. They had something completely different in their minds. You're just coming here with baseless assumptions that are built on not understanding the characters you spoke about and why they act the way they do in the story. Danzo was a self-indulging fanatic that in his own twisted way cared about the leaf too much. The third was a weak man who got pressured into doing things that he knew was wrong. He couldn't put his foot down to stop the uchiha clan massacre or anything. Even Tsunade has more will than him. And you really think that just from looking at Tendo, who was young and from the thirds perspective, not from yours, just probably acting up he would say "oh put him in root cause he doesn't have the will of fire?" That's an incredibly poor leadership decision. Even the third is not that inept. For god sakes, naruto acted even worse and do you see him in root? Sasuke didn't even talk to anyone and barely showed respect anywhere plus he had no backing expect for Itachi. Danzo barely even cared about him. Do you see him in root? No. Iruka was one like that, but do you see him in root? No. Given that all they did was childish pranks but did you see any "will of fire" in them? No. Most of their parents died for the village and they were barely given any compensation. That is a reason to hate the village right there. Especially naruto. But when you saw them showing a lack of respect to the hokage, the first thing you thought they should do was to "put them in root. They have no will of fire". Man tf?
Precheur:Wow you're the one getting mixed, your words are full of holes. First of all : The third is not decisive ? It mmay be the truth when it come to the case of Danzo his old friend, but please, you're talkingg aboout the men who let the uchiha get slaughtered, men, women, children, civilian, ninja. You're taling about the men who let the children of the 4th, a guy who sacrificed his life for the village be treated like a monster by the whole village. Please don't tell me he didn't know about those whole things, whether it's the uchiha getting killed or naruto treated like a monster, else you are not honnest. Danzo like the third both know that his mother was a complice of orochimaru, that's even more of a reason for the third to accept lettingg Danzo get him in the roots to brain wash him since he doesn't know his loyalty. And yes he doesn't know his loyalty because the only time he talking to him he acted like an arrogant prick with eight grade syndrome. I don't feel any will of fire from the way he act. He is not a person who is not social, sasuke was, even the biggest of the whole manga, so i can tell it's not about being social. Also i'm quite curious now, you're telling me that i'm wrong when i say that the Senju should have completly changed the world and the death of uchiha. So since they are the strongest like you say, but neither in a military, political, or even spiritual way, how can they be the strongest ? In what form, please open my eyes. Ps : Them being rich is still about political power.
Okay i'm not gonna talk about the senju since you're not able to understand the fact that them being alive and with not only a great political power but also military power would lead to a world completly different where there not only could still exist a uchiha clan, but also with great consequences on the world war which may have been completly otherwise, besides thousands of other historical events. Let's just stay focus on the easy stuff. First of all you're doing sophisme, you're trying to compare characters with nothing in common. Let's draw each of them and see why your MC is much more suspect of being sent to roots to be brainwashed since he is too talented and we fear he may not be loyal: Naruto Uzumaki - Nice talent, son of the 4th and the past jinchuriki, actual jinchuriki A.K.A Nuclear bomb, since he is a kid dream to be hokage, will of fire over 9000. Sasuke Uchiha - Nice talent, last uchiha alive beside his brother, someone who killed his whole clan. Not sociable, he is honnest about what he want, to kill his brother since he hates him. Doesn't seem to have an obvious will of fire. MC - Monster talent, his parents are strongly suspected of working with orochimaru before their death, doesn't respect at all the hokage, act like a 8th grade syndrome, obviously doesn't have the "will of fire". Now what do we do, which one should we make sure to brainwash, knowing that Danzo would like to get the 3 of them. Somehow i feel like it's more important to get MC to roots right ? He is more suspicious i would say. But whatever my point of view is stupid and i don't know what character mean after all. Whatever i feel like we will never agree at this point.
I_Am_Soh:That entire first paragraph happened because the third was not decisive. He was a weak Hokage that let Danzo walk all over him. The third didn't know that his mother was a spy, the third heard rumors and they were investigating it. And did you skip the whole thing about orochimaru? It's like you dont know what in character means. If the MC doesn't respect someone then he doesn't, regardless of who it is. You can feel however you want about it but sincerely, honestly, I dont care. That's just how it is. If you thought that's how "emo" and "eight-grader syndrome" or whatever people act, then that's on you. That's just a really stupid way of looking at things. About the Senju, they were active but they were usually quiet. Their clan head, which the hokage didn't even know about because the entire thing was a secret, usually came out when discussions were made or action had to be taken. He was powerful and they knew that. It was not an entire clan of powerhouses, it was a good few that were extremely powerful. Danzo had a bit more information on them so he knew that they were hiding things about themselves. He knew not to act rashly. So did Hiashi. If they acted the way you said they should, a civil war would be enacted upon Konoha. That would be extremely inept of people who claim to know leadership. You're assuming that the Senju Clan would follow hashirama's will but that's just not true. They had something completely different in their minds. You're just coming here with baseless assumptions that are built on not understanding the characters you spoke about and why they act the way they do in the story. Danzo was a self-indulging fanatic that in his own twisted way cared about the leaf too much. The third was a weak man who got pressured into doing things that he knew was wrong. He couldn't put his foot down to stop the uchiha clan massacre or anything. Even Tsunade has more will than him. And you really think that just from looking at Tendo, who was young and from the thirds perspective, not from yours, just probably acting up he would say "oh put him in root cause he doesn't have the will of fire?" That's an incredibly poor leadership decision. Even the third is not that inept. For god sakes, naruto acted even worse and do you see him in root? Sasuke didn't even talk to anyone and barely showed respect anywhere plus he had no backing expect for Itachi. Danzo barely even cared about him. Do you see him in root? No. Iruka was one like that, but do you see him in root? No. Given that all they did was childish pranks but did you see any "will of fire" in them? No. Most of their parents died for the village and they were barely given any compensation. That is a reason to hate the village right there. Especially naruto. But when you saw them showing a lack of respect to the hokage, the first thing you thought they should do was to "put them in root. They have no will of fire". Man tf?
We're never gonna agree about the Senju because you have preconceived notions about what they would do lmao. You don't know the context! As for the comparison, at that age, no one you just mentioned had the "will of fire". It was one parent that was suspected of working for Orochimaru while his father died in defense of the village. Your comparison falls short severely. Well, until you know what you're talking about, then, we're just not gonna agree. Thanks for reading.
Precheur:Okay i'm not gonna talk about the senju since you're not able to understand the fact that them being alive and with not only a great political power but also military power would lead to a world completly different where there not only could still exist a uchiha clan, but also with great consequences on the world war which may have been completly otherwise, besides thousands of other historical events. Let's just stay focus on the easy stuff. First of all you're doing sophisme, you're trying to compare characters with nothing in common. Let's draw each of them and see why your MC is much more suspect of being sent to roots to be brainwashed since he is too talented and we fear he may not be loyal: Naruto Uzumaki - Nice talent, son of the 4th and the past jinchuriki, actual jinchuriki A.K.A Nuclear bomb, since he is a kid dream to be hokage, will of fire over 9000. Sasuke Uchiha - Nice talent, last uchiha alive beside his brother, someone who killed his whole clan. Not sociable, he is honnest about what he want, to kill his brother since he hates him. Doesn't seem to have an obvious will of fire. MC - Monster talent, his parents are strongly suspected of working with orochimaru before their death, doesn't respect at all the hokage, act like a 8th grade syndrome, obviously doesn't have the "will of fire". Now what do we do, which one should we make sure to brainwash, knowing that Danzo would like to get the 3 of them. Somehow i feel like it's more important to get MC to roots right ? He is more suspicious i would say. But whatever my point of view is stupid and i don't know what character mean after all. Whatever i feel like we will never agree at this point.
Then let's just say that i don't understand the concept of character while you don't understand the one of influence.
I_Am_Soh:We're never gonna agree about the Senju because you have preconceived notions about what they would do lmao. You don't know the context! As for the comparison, at that age, no one you just mentioned had the "will of fire". It was one parent that was suspected of working for Orochimaru while his father died in defense of the village. Your comparison falls short severely. Well, until you know what you're talking about, then, we're just not gonna agree. Thanks for reading.
