Review Detail of neobenmike in The Eight Sin The Sin Of Love

Book_Wyrm:Excuse me, love is not the heavenly virtue that opposes to lust, chastity is, love actually is neither a virtue nor a sin, just an emotion.

alexandur_burster:isn't greed an emotion and chastity is in relation to marriage meaning love

IdHc:well yes, it's related, but that's all. Love is just an emotion as he says. You need love in marriage but that doesn't make it a virtue. In an opposite example with a similar concept(because it's easier for me to think of right now), you feel hunger when you're gluttonous but that doesn't mean hunger is necessarily bad, since all humans feel it.

IdHc:well yes, it's related, but that's all. Love is just an emotion as he says. You need love in marriage but that doesn't make it a virtue. In an opposite example with a similar concept(because it's easier for me to think of right now), you feel hunger when you're gluttonous but that doesn't mean hunger is necessarily bad, since all humans feel it.

alexandur_burster:im also just saying that a virtue and or sin is not based of emotions entirely but it is still connected or is a emotion

IdHc:What I meant is that the sins and virtues are emotions, but are based around the more basic human emotions, which are driven by human's biological needs. Lust is opposed to chastity because of the biological need to reproduce. Pride is opposed to humility because of human's competitive nature, which can also be derived from the mating process(finding a mate) and other factors. Greed is opposed to Charity because of our struggle between self-preservation and preservation of the group(individualism vs tribalism which we both have as humans). The list goes on but it is all based on our human nature. Love is a more neutral emotion and doesn't fit anywhere, but can be applied everywhere. It can turn bad in excess and towards terrible people or things, but it can be good as well. And while 'good' and 'bad' are largely decided by the society they live in, there's an innate human distinction for good and bad things. I disagree on the idea that these things are subject to bias. It's objective, unless you aren't human. The subjective view of the world is the unscientific and unrealistic view. There's innate human biological reasons why practices like monogamy have sprouted all across the world despite the different cultures, with exceptions being small sub-cultures that are interesting to study, but probably boil down to decades to centuries of such practices forced on a community by a religion or figure. Essentially brainwashing. Humans are susceptible to such conditioning, but it's not their natural state. Still interesting to study those cultures though. Same for those tribes that practice cannibalism. To them, cannibalism could be considered virtuous, but is it a virtue just because the tribe has been conditioned to believe such a thing? Cultural subjectivity is just an excuse to subvert societal norms and distort society. There's objective truths in this world that people can turn a blind eye to, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

alexandur_burster:i think that really its nurture vs nature and what subjects to their emotions or reactions is based entirely on their environment and experiences which change the biology of their brain making them feel and perceive differently if a person is hit on the head. im saying a persons biological brain structure can make love a more extreme emotion which could cause a person stalking not purely based on lust but the emotion love, and i really like this philosophical debate

alexandur_burster:i think that really its nurture vs nature and what subjects to their emotions or reactions is based entirely on their environment and experiences which change the biology of their brain making them feel and perceive differently if a person is hit on the head. im saying a persons biological brain structure can make love a more extreme emotion which could cause a person stalking not purely based on lust but the emotion love, and i really like this philosophical debate

IdHc:That's sort of like what I said, and it's true that there's a certain amount of variation within the brains of all humans, whether it is due to their genetics, physical or emotional trauma, mutation, or through hormonal irregularities that influence the growth of certain parts of the brain that affect emotions in some way. But, there is indeed a generality that most humans fall under, which is what things should be based on, and are. There's an objective truth that most people fall under, but due to how nature works, a chaotic order, it does not mean that all humans follow that truth. It's why the psychopathic, intersex, mentally or physically disabled, conjoined, and other mutations of the human can be born. The world isn't purely logical, which becomes clearer and clearer as science progresses(look at how irregular the atomic system is, yet it still works and has a sort of logic to it, despite how it behaves). But, just because it isn't purely logical, doesn't mean that the logic that does exist isn't a reality.

IdHc:That's sort of like what I said, and it's true that there's a certain amount of variation within the brains of all humans, whether it is due to their genetics, physical or emotional trauma, mutation, or through hormonal irregularities that influence the growth of certain parts of the brain that affect emotions in some way. But, there is indeed a generality that most humans fall under, which is what things should be based on, and are. There's an objective truth that most people fall under, but due to how nature works, a chaotic order, it does not mean that all humans follow that truth. It's why the psychopathic, intersex, mentally or physically disabled, conjoined, and other mutations of the human can be born. The world isn't purely logical, which becomes clearer and clearer as science progresses(look at how irregular the atomic system is, yet it still works and has a sort of logic to it, despite how it behaves). But, just because it isn't purely logical, doesn't mean that the logic that does exist isn't a reality.

alexandur_burster:i dont even know what were arguing now to be honest

IdHc:hmm? I wasn't really arguing anything about the novel. I didn't even read that. Looked at the reviews and saw the conversation. I wouldn't even call it arguing, so I'm not sure what your confusion is about.

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