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N0xiety
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Feels like a cheap hollywood flick. Things happen the way they do because plot needs it, not because it makes sense. Marines can't use 'armor piercing bullets' inside the ship because 'they don't want marines to blow half the ship into oblivion', yet marines get pushed back because the sorry excuse of a bullet they are allowed to use can't even penetrate the bugs carapace. They have to shoot at the bugs open mouth or the joints to even do damage! Yeah right... With such redundant weapons ofc the things don't go well. Marines are killed in droves and they are being pushed back so bad, they start using grenades that throw around tungsten balls that turn into plasma and can pierce the bugs and leave the hull of the ship riddled with holes. The Captain is informed that the situation is getting desperate and %80 of the defenders in one of the engineering section is dead, so they ask to use the armor piercing bullets, but NOOOO. It is not allowed, keep using grenades good chaps and leave the ship riddled with holes haha! Oh also, keep being meat shields haha! Enjoy getting eaten alive by bugs hahaha! What a great idea! They don't even trust their own marines to use armor piercing bullets because 'it might pierce into the reactor core and blow the ship'. Seriously? So they use grenades which can do much worse instead? The notion of armor piercing bullets going through the walls and reaching the reactor is already ridiculous enough, a reactor room shouldn't be so unprotected, but even if such a worry is real, why would they use such powerful grenades then? Their 'ceramic bullets' that don't pierce the hull of the ship also can't pierce the bugs carapace. So by logic, this grenade that sends tungsten plasma projectiles which can pierce the bugs carapace, can also pierce the hull of the ship! If not, why would they make the ceramic bullets so useless? If the grenade doesn't pierce the hull, but can pierce the bugs, then why would they not make a bullet that can actually work just as well as the grenade!? See, this is the logic hole i'm talking about! Anyways, because they are not allowed to use armor piercing bullets and because they are slow at clearing out the bugs that breached into the ship, the bugs reach a conduit and everything goos BOOM. Ship is done for. All because they were afraid their own marines can't shoot straight and the somehow 'so overpowered armor piercing bullets could pierce the reactor'. Sigh... The best way to describe what i'm feeling right now would be 'feels like a cheap hollywood flick'. Disappointing. Very disappointing...

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Neobear
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Like i explained ... an effective range of a grenade is only a few meters (5 to 6) while AP bullets over penerate the carapace, which the bullets can go through 1 end of the ship to the other... So using grenades are a lesser evil compared to firing thousands rounds of AP which can shred the ship internally to pieces... and no is not they dont trust them to shoot properly, it is no matter how they shoot, it will damage the ship and the grenades used were a last ditch. Sry if my story is not to ur taste and not a billion dollar hollywood flick. =)

N0xiety
N0xietyLv7N0xiety

Ok, lets just for a moment think that is how the AP rounds work. They are somehow SO POWERFUL that they can literally go through the bugs and then continue through the ships hull and walls like cutting through swiss cheese. (which is something i find unbelievable.) But lets just say that's how it is for the sake of suspension of disbelief yeah? Why in the hell would humans not develop an ammo that can actually penetrate the bugs, but not overkill it? You don't need an overkill ammo that can go through the bugs armor 'twice' and still continue on through several walls. The only ammo type humans have is 'ceramic ammo', which is pretty much useless as it can't even penetrate the enemies armor, and 'AP ammo' which is so overkill it can shred the ship into pieces even after going through a bugs armor and coming out of its back? Why is there no middle point? If you can make an ammo so powerful, it isn't that hard to also devise something 'not as powerful', but just enough for the job. Just use softer metals for the ammo and voila! You have an ammo that isn't so overkill and can be used inside the ship with acceptable damage! And if you say that an ammo type which can go through the bugs armor, will always have the punching power to also go through ships walls and hull, how in the hell would that grenade not be more damaging even if it somehow only had 5 meters effective range compared to such an ammo? It would literally turn the walls in the vicinity into swiss cheese and actually compromise the hull integrity as there are hundreds of plasma balls shooting out in every direction. There should exist an ammo type that has just enough power to go through bugs armor 'once' and get stuck at the back armor without overpenning the bug. Or maybe even fragment inside after going through armor. Such an ammo would be less damaging than a grenade even if the marines somehow missed the huge bugs and shot at the walls on accident. (if they miss a bug i would say their training is worthless, but whatever...) A few bullets would be enough to bring down the bug with such an ammo. Anyways, this is one of my misgivings. There are other things. Like, why wouldn't there be internal security system inside the ship? Automated computer controlled guns coming out of walls and the like? It isn't really that hard of a concept really. If the enemies preferred way of waging war is to literally board the ships with soldiers instead of shooting it into oblivion from range, it kind of is a no brainer to have internal defenses against an inevitable scenario right? It is kind of mind boggling how little defense there is for an 'inevitable scenario'. It is like humans are helpless the moment the ship is boarded because they don't even have guns that can effectively kill the invaders. There goes my suspension of disbelief down the drain again...

Neobear:Like i explained ... an effective range of a grenade is only a few meters (5 to 6) while AP bullets over penerate the carapace, which the bullets can go through 1 end of the ship to the other... So using grenades are a lesser evil compared to firing thousands rounds of AP which can shred the ship internally to pieces... and no is not they dont trust them to shoot properly, it is no matter how they shoot, it will damage the ship and the grenades used were a last ditch. Sry if my story is not to ur taste and not a billion dollar hollywood flick. =)
Neobear
NeobearAuthorNeobear

1) They are on a training ship and in the friendly space, they don't expect to encounter alien bugs, hence the logistics of the ship were very ******, the ship was not expected to go more than a week cruise. Ammo wise they only loaded two types into the stores, AP and Anti Personnel, as no one thought to load any other ammo types. (Why give yourself more paperwork and trouble on accounting and approving more ammo types?) Even the Marines carried only their issued weapons and basic loads, no other special weaponry. 2) The nade did turn the area into swiss cheese, and hull breaches did occur. 3) Its a mothballed ship over 80 years old, taken into service recently for training missions only in an area supposedly to be very safe, hence it does not have auto internal turrets / better internal security features (they haven't encountered space bugs then) nor better armored internal bulkheads compared to a more modern warships, hence the internal hull couldn't handle a modern AP round.

N0xiety:Ok, lets just for a moment think that is how the AP rounds work. They are somehow SO POWERFUL that they can literally go through the bugs and then continue through the ships hull and walls like cutting through swiss cheese. (which is something i find unbelievable.) But lets just say that's how it is for the sake of suspension of disbelief yeah? Why in the hell would humans not develop an ammo that can actually penetrate the bugs, but not overkill it? You don't need an overkill ammo that can go through the bugs armor 'twice' and still continue on through several walls. The only ammo type humans have is 'ceramic ammo', which is pretty much useless as it can't even penetrate the enemies armor, and 'AP ammo' which is so overkill it can shred the ship into pieces even after going through a bugs armor and coming out of its back? Why is there no middle point? If you can make an ammo so powerful, it isn't that hard to also devise something 'not as powerful', but just enough for the job. Just use softer metals for the ammo and voila! You have an ammo that isn't so overkill and can be used inside the ship with acceptable damage! And if you say that an ammo type which can go through the bugs armor, will always have the punching power to also go through ships walls and hull, how in the hell would that grenade not be more damaging even if it somehow only had 5 meters effective range compared to such an ammo? It would literally turn the walls in the vicinity into swiss cheese and actually compromise the hull integrity as there are hundreds of plasma balls shooting out in every direction. There should exist an ammo type that has just enough power to go through bugs armor 'once' and get stuck at the back armor without overpenning the bug. Or maybe even fragment inside after going through armor. Such an ammo would be less damaging than a grenade even if the marines somehow missed the huge bugs and shot at the walls on accident. (if they miss a bug i would say their training is worthless, but whatever...) A few bullets would be enough to bring down the bug with such an ammo. Anyways, this is one of my misgivings. There are other things. Like, why wouldn't there be internal security system inside the ship? Automated computer controlled guns coming out of walls and the like? It isn't really that hard of a concept really. If the enemies preferred way of waging war is to literally board the ships with soldiers instead of shooting it into oblivion from range, it kind of is a no brainer to have internal defenses against an inevitable scenario right? It is kind of mind boggling how little defense there is for an 'inevitable scenario'. It is like humans are helpless the moment the ship is boarded because they don't even have guns that can effectively kill the invaders. There goes my suspension of disbelief down the drain again...
Lemni
LemniLv12Lemni

Well they use the tool called stupidity in their novels so the story can works without much work ..its sad. But thanks for the review at least i dont need to view it.

Lemni
LemniLv12Lemni

Told to many others tool called stupidy makes the story work because the characters in the story are stupid wonder is how they got into technological age of space ships with this

N0xiety:Ok, lets just for a moment think that is how the AP rounds work. They are somehow SO POWERFUL that they can literally go through the bugs and then continue through the ships hull and walls like cutting through swiss cheese. (which is something i find unbelievable.) But lets just say that's how it is for the sake of suspension of disbelief yeah? Why in the hell would humans not develop an ammo that can actually penetrate the bugs, but not overkill it? You don't need an overkill ammo that can go through the bugs armor 'twice' and still continue on through several walls. The only ammo type humans have is 'ceramic ammo', which is pretty much useless as it can't even penetrate the enemies armor, and 'AP ammo' which is so overkill it can shred the ship into pieces even after going through a bugs armor and coming out of its back? Why is there no middle point? If you can make an ammo so powerful, it isn't that hard to also devise something 'not as powerful', but just enough for the job. Just use softer metals for the ammo and voila! You have an ammo that isn't so overkill and can be used inside the ship with acceptable damage! And if you say that an ammo type which can go through the bugs armor, will always have the punching power to also go through ships walls and hull, how in the hell would that grenade not be more damaging even if it somehow only had 5 meters effective range compared to such an ammo? It would literally turn the walls in the vicinity into swiss cheese and actually compromise the hull integrity as there are hundreds of plasma balls shooting out in every direction. There should exist an ammo type that has just enough power to go through bugs armor 'once' and get stuck at the back armor without overpenning the bug. Or maybe even fragment inside after going through armor. Such an ammo would be less damaging than a grenade even if the marines somehow missed the huge bugs and shot at the walls on accident. (if they miss a bug i would say their training is worthless, but whatever...) A few bullets would be enough to bring down the bug with such an ammo. Anyways, this is one of my misgivings. There are other things. Like, why wouldn't there be internal security system inside the ship? Automated computer controlled guns coming out of walls and the like? It isn't really that hard of a concept really. If the enemies preferred way of waging war is to literally board the ships with soldiers instead of shooting it into oblivion from range, it kind of is a no brainer to have internal defenses against an inevitable scenario right? It is kind of mind boggling how little defense there is for an 'inevitable scenario'. It is like humans are helpless the moment the ship is boarded because they don't even have guns that can effectively kill the invaders. There goes my suspension of disbelief down the drain again...
Lemni
LemniLv12Lemni

I accidentally added s with works .. im writing fast and furius(pun) and thinking about other things so overlook some garbage in my sentenses thx :D

Lemni:Well they use the tool called stupidity in their novels so the story can works without much work ..its sad. But thanks for the review at least i dont need to view it.
MerryPoppins
MerryPoppinsLv6MerryPoppins

Thanks for the review.

Long_Maned_Bear
Long_Maned_BearLv4Long_Maned_Bear

Even then, the momentum of the bullet was already exhausted by the time that they come out of the bugs. The force behind it would become significantly lesser. And if the shoot is well placed they can even kill many birds in one stone since they are attacking in droves not one by one.

Neobear:Like i explained ... an effective range of a grenade is only a few meters (5 to 6) while AP bullets over penerate the carapace, which the bullets can go through 1 end of the ship to the other... So using grenades are a lesser evil compared to firing thousands rounds of AP which can shred the ship internally to pieces... and no is not they dont trust them to shoot properly, it is no matter how they shoot, it will damage the ship and the grenades used were a last ditch. Sry if my story is not to ur taste and not a billion dollar hollywood flick. =)
Neobear
NeobearAuthorNeobear

would like you to chance the risk that 1 bullet accidentally hit something critical in the ship? Even actual current shipboard CQC, its dangerous due to bullets ricohets~ the bouncers can hit friendly or even ship critical parts ~

Long_Maned_Bear:Even then, the momentum of the bullet was already exhausted by the time that they come out of the bugs. The force behind it would become significantly lesser. And if the shoot is well placed they can even kill many birds in one stone since they are attacking in droves not one by one.
Lonely_daoist
Lonely_daoistLv12Lonely_daoist

nah, these people is spoiled with novels that they sh1t all novels they don't like. it's like "this novel is stupid because it doesnt follow our expectations" they sh1t other creation because they think they are superior since they think they know how to create the chapter or how to make it a perfect novel. tche they don't even write but they still dare say sh1t about this. keep up the work my friend. although advice are good, some of it is'nt. so follow what you think you love but don't go overboard still.

Neobear:would like you to chance the risk that 1 bullet accidentally hit something critical in the ship? Even actual current shipboard CQC, its dangerous due to bullets ricohets~ the bouncers can hit friendly or even ship critical parts ~
NeedMoreMilk
NeedMoreMilkLv5NeedMoreMilk

space age,nano tech,bullets..which of them does not belong to group?

DaoistLingMing
DaoistLingMingLv5DaoistLingMing

slow down a minute. no wonder you are lonely with this kind of attitude.

Lonely_daoist:nah, these people is spoiled with novels that they sh1t all novels they don't like. it's like "this novel is stupid because it doesnt follow our expectations" they sh1t other creation because they think they are superior since they think they know how to create the chapter or how to make it a perfect novel. tche they don't even write but they still dare say sh1t about this. keep up the work my friend. although advice are good, some of it is'nt. so follow what you think you love but don't go overboard still.
DaoistLingMing
DaoistLingMingLv5DaoistLingMing

dear author i kind of understand your thinking but tell me why are they are carrying AP rounds when they are not going to use it. they can even lessen the burden of PAPER work more if the don't bring it with them. they are trainess so it is understandable they don't have high power equipment. then the question what are they training for when they don't have necessary equipment's. they are not training to kill humans so these kind of equipment's are totally unnecessary.

Neobear:would like you to chance the risk that 1 bullet accidentally hit something critical in the ship? Even actual current shipboard CQC, its dangerous due to bullets ricohets~ the bouncers can hit friendly or even ship critical parts ~
Neobear
NeobearAuthorNeobear

Its their standard issued ammunition they carried along hence why there are only so little ammo for them. Meaning they must always carry X amount of ammo on a deployment no matter if its a training run or combat deployment. The marines are just along for the ride... they are just security detail assigned along as all ships required marine presence onboard. That's why there's only a single platoon onboard whereas normally it's supposed to be a full company with all their support and heavy weaponry. The trainees are mostly the naval crew.

DaoistLingMing:dear author i kind of understand your thinking but tell me why are they are carrying AP rounds when they are not going to use it. they can even lessen the burden of PAPER work more if the don't bring it with them. they are trainess so it is understandable they don't have high power equipment. then the question what are they training for when they don't have necessary equipment's. they are not training to kill humans so these kind of equipment's are totally unnecessary.
SirReal
SirRealLv10SirReal

i dont want to sound like im picking on you author, but i just wanted to clarify that if were talking about a normal gun that uses gun powder and a modern ship with a nuclear reactor, the chances of armor piercing bullets doing any major damage internally to the ship is minuscule. Since this is a military vessel were talking about here it will likely be used for war, and no vessel is designed to be that weak to the point that shooting armor piercing bullets will tear the ship apart. During the creation process of any ship especially ones with a nuclear reactor the ship has to be designed to withstand hits and prevent further internal damage which means areas with important personnel or equipment will be reinforced with Kevlar or thicker armor this definitely includes the nuclear reactor as it not only has to protect itself from the outside but also from the inside

Tyler89558
Tyler89558Lv5Tyler89558

I mean at least there was actually a somewhat believable reason for their actions unlike... Randy. Randy is what happens when you make a man who has less neurons than an ant... and then make the world bend its back to get him to even remember that he could breathe. Also nuclear reactors aren't necessarily made to protect itself from outside threats... I'm fairly certain that they're more focused on preventing nuclear hellfire from leaking out and accidentally melting everyone as they are bombarded by particles moving far faster than a bullet.

Neobear:Its their standard issued ammunition they carried along hence why there are only so little ammo for them. Meaning they must always carry X amount of ammo on a deployment no matter if its a training run or combat deployment. The marines are just along for the ride... they are just security detail assigned along as all ships required marine presence onboard. That's why there's only a single platoon onboard whereas normally it's supposed to be a full company with all their support and heavy weaponry. The trainees are mostly the naval crew.
Neobear
NeobearAuthorNeobear

A 80yr old ship doesnt hold up against modern AP rounds designed to kill the aliens... which only appeared waaaay after the ship was built. This ship was mothballed and taken out to be a training ship and it wasn't modernized/armored up to modern standards...

SirReal:i dont want to sound like im picking on you author, but i just wanted to clarify that if were talking about a normal gun that uses gun powder and a modern ship with a nuclear reactor, the chances of armor piercing bullets doing any major damage internally to the ship is minuscule. Since this is a military vessel were talking about here it will likely be used for war, and no vessel is designed to be that weak to the point that shooting armor piercing bullets will tear the ship apart. During the creation process of any ship especially ones with a nuclear reactor the ship has to be designed to withstand hits and prevent further internal damage which means areas with important personnel or equipment will be reinforced with Kevlar or thicker armor this definitely includes the nuclear reactor as it not only has to protect itself from the outside but also from the inside
thendavesaid
thendavesaidLv13thendavesaid

Combat vet here with my two cents. The military has a ton of cool toys, but they don't issue every interesting weapon for every mission, they issue the weapons they think you might need for the mission at hand. Our vehicle convoys looking for roadside IEDs would mount 7.62 and 5.56 machine guns. We had access to anti-tank TOWs and Javelins, but we wouldn't use them on IED patrols. Also, in Fallujah, the tanks couldn't use armor piercing shells because of the risk of a shell penetrating 6-7 brick houses and causing friendly fire on its way. The military isn't like a video game where you can carry 8 weapons in your inventory and pull out the right weapon for the right mob at a moment's notice.

DaoistLingMing:dear author i kind of understand your thinking but tell me why are they are carrying AP rounds when they are not going to use it. they can even lessen the burden of PAPER work more if the don't bring it with them. they are trainess so it is understandable they don't have high power equipment. then the question what are they training for when they don't have necessary equipment's. they are not training to kill humans so these kind of equipment's are totally unnecessary.
IPreferLonerMc
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My first time seeing a LV7, I shall savor this moment

IPreferLonerMc
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My first time seeing a LV7, I shall savor this moment