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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 L_Poren

    Oh boy, someone else who doesn't know the difference between the main character and a side character. Before I go into that, yes Nephis is almost a Mary Sue type character, though she still does have obvious limitations and flaws, idk what's wrong with that either way. Anyways here's a definition for a main character for you: "The main character is a central character who acts as the audience surrogate—we experience the story through their eyes. The main character is involved in the story, interacts with the secondary characters, and is personally impacted by the plot's main conflict." Do we see Nephis' internal monologs and thoughts? No. Do we see the story at all from Nephis' eyes? No. Okay now, is Sunny involved in the story? Yes. Does Sunny interact with other secondary/side characters? Yes. Is Sunny personally impacted by the plot's main conflict? Yes. Do we see Sunny's internal monologs and thoughts? Yes. Do we see the majority of the story from Sunny's eyes? Yes. Sure, Nephis may have played a more important overall in this arc, but so what? What makes Sunny a side character exactly? Is it because the main character didn't lead everyone to victory when that would clearly be against his antisocial reclusive personality who also wants to downplay his power? That would make no sense. Is it because he isn't stronger than Nephis? I never knew the requirement to be a main character in the story was being the strongest character at any given point in time. Sounds to me like Naruto was never actually the main character for 90% of his show based on that logic. Yes, looking at the overarching plot of the second nightmare, Nephis makes most of the key decisions pertaining to the Dreamers. I didn't know that makes someone a main character. So you're telling me that I can't write a story about a main character in an army or group because their leader would automatically be the main character of the story as they make the key decisions. Sounds dumb to me. You aren't actually annoyed by Sunny being a "side character" because he isn't, he is undoubtedly the main character. You are just annoyed he isn't the center of attention, he isn't an op mc that leads everyone and kicks everyone's ass or an op lone wolf mastermind mc that secretly controls everyone and also kicks everyone's ass. I have failed to see a single good argument from anyone that suggests Sunny is a side character, just a bunch of people using that excuse to whine that this story isn't turning into wish fulfillment op mc harem nonsense like 99% of the other novels on this site.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 Bad_At

    Lmao stfu bro. You hate the novel yet can't give any examples from the book that you dislike? What an absolute clown. How about you go read novels with edgy angsty teenage MCs, I'm sure you would relate really well. Or how about a nice bit of wish fulfillment by reading all those harem smut novels? Doubt you could get laid any other way except in your imagination through those novels, well you would just say "I cba to get laid" as an excuse.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 michele_00

    Why is he a useless secondary character? Because he isn't the strongest? Because he isn't leading everyone like Nephis? Because he has a somewhat antisocial personality? How do those things make Sunny a useless secondary character. He is still undoubtedly the main character since we see the majority of the events in the novel through his eyes and we know his thoughts, on the contrary we never see the events through Nephis' eyes so I fail to see how she could be the main character. Do you just automatically dislike the novel because Sunny isn't OP, is more lowkey, and isn't a leader? If so, there isn't much you can do about that I guess, go read another novel. But just know, there are many others like me who despise those super OP, apathetic, ruthless, perfect Gary Stu type characters.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 alsiee

    Warning! Spoilers for Chapter 95 below: I read through the specific chapter you mentioned again, and I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Why shouldn't there be tension after an unexpected ambush and the disappearance of your comrade. The description off Nephis' injuries when she climbs back on the hand, sure maybe you could condense it a bit, but it's not like they don't serve a purpose. They serve to show the power of the monsters in the dark sea, show how Nephis barely managed to escape, and highlight the intense effects of her abilities, allowing her to heal herself from near death. I'm sure there are other reasons as well that I missed or don't remember off the top of my head. I fail to see what's wrong in this chapter, could you please explain what you saw wrong in the context of chapter 95?

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 NatanDS_

    Oh boy! Another one of these people who say Sunny is a side character even though they don't understand what the difference is between a main character and a side character. Here's a definition so you understand, "The main character is a central character who acts as the audience surrogate—we experience the story through their eyes. The main character is involved in the story, interacts with the secondary characters, and is personally impacted by the plot's main conflict." Do we see Nephis' internal monologs and thoughts? No. Do we see the story at all from Nephis' eyes? No. Okay now, is Sunny involved in the story? Yes. Does Sunny interact with other secondary/side characters? Yes. Is Sunny personally impacted by the plot's main conflict? Yes. Do we see Sunny's internal monologs and thoughts? Yes. Do we see the majority of the story from Sunny's eyes? Yes. People need to realize, just because the events in a story don't always pivot around a main character, it doesn't suddenly make them a side character. A better background story, better development, and much more charisma? What kind of idiotic stuff are you spouting? Even if all of that was true, it doesn't magically make Nephis the MC. And it's not even true. We barely even know much about Nephis' backstory, we know less about it than we do the MC Sunny. What kind of character development has Nephis gone through that is much better than Sunny? Yes, Nephis has gone through some character development in how she opens up and cares for Sunny as well as becoming more manipulative and calculating. But Sunny has gone through the same amount of character development if not more. And wtf does charisma have to do with the MC. Just because there is a side character more charismatic than the main character, does that make them the new main character? If that's the case, people should just make Kai the main character. Sunny is written to be more withdrawn than Nephis, that doesn't make Sunny not an MC. The fact that you even have this complaint shows how uneducated you are. It's not like we don't get to see Sunny's actions and thoughts at all, and it's not like he isn't an impactful character. No, instead we basically see the story exclusively through Sunny's eyes, we follow him along his journey, whether that be with a group or on his lonesome. He is a very integral part of the story. I just don't see how people can have such a blatantly wrong misconception. If I had to guess why, it is because the world doesn't revolve around our MC. He isn't all-powerful, he doesn't attract all the attention, he isn't leading everyone to victory, he isn't always in the limelight. But I don't see a problem with that. Also, by spreading this dumb and incorrect view that Sunny is a side character, all you're doing is giving haters who simply want Sunny to be an OP character who leads everyone and saves the day (which he is not, thankfully) something to complain about and hide their desires behind. Just stop with this nonsense, Sunny is not a main character. Revaluate what you actually dislike about the novel and see if it's good for you. If you want the aforementioned OP main character who is always the center of the action and attention, go read the countless other novels on this site instead of writing false claims about the novel.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 BrabbitX

    Yeah, "cba" because you don't actually have good examples. You're just salty MC didn't turn out to be a carbon copy of the countless other MC's who randomly become op with bs power scaling, and are also apathetic and cold Gary Stu-esque characters (a Gary Sue character is the male version of a Mary Sue character. One that is unrealistically free of any weaknesses and is perfect). If you have any actual examples instead of "cba" feel free to prove me wrong.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 Mr_Dreamer

    Please explain to me how the main character became an "idiot wimp beta side character"? I see many people say stuff similar to this but without good reason.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 SnoringDragon_

    Sure, and most of the people writing negative reviews about the book write false claims. You want me to refute the opposite side? Sure! Who says Sunny isn't the MC? Those who think so obviously don't have any idea about what an MC actually is. Let me paste my reply to the original commenter to you as well. ________________________________________________________________ Why do people keep having this misconception? Sorry if I seem harsh but are you an idiot Oto? Do you even know what a main character is and what a side character is? Here's a definition so you understand, "The main character is a central character who acts as the audience surrogate—we experience the story through their eyes. The main character is involved in the story, interacts with the secondary characters, and is personally impacted by the plot's main conflict." Do we see Nephis' internal monologs and thoughts? No. (Nephis is the FL they mention if anyone is wondering) Do we see the story at all from Nephis' eyes? No. Okay now, is Sunny involved in the story? Yes. (Sunny is the MC) Does Sunny interact with other secondary/side characters? Yes. Is Sunny personally impacted by the plot's main conflict? Yes. Do we see Sunny's internal monologs and thoughts? Yes. Do we see the majority of the story from Sunny's eyes? Yes. People need to realize, just because the events in a story don't always pivot around a main character, it doesn't suddenly make them a side character. The fact that you even have this complaint shows how uneducated you are. It's not like we don't get to see Sunny's actions and thoughts at all, and it's not like he isn't an impactful character. No, instead we basically see the story exclusively through Sunny's eyes, we follow him along his journey, whether that with a group or on his lonesome. I just don't see how people can have such a blatantly wrong misconception. If I had to guess why, it is because the world doesn't revolve around our MC. He isn't all-powerful, he doesn't attract all the attention, he isn't leading everyone to victory, he isn't always in the limelight. But I don't see a problem with that. Also, by spreading this dumb and incorrect view that Sunny is a side character, all you're doing is giving haters who simply want Sunny to be an OP character who leads everyone and saves the day (which he is not, thankfully) something to complain about and hide their desires behind. Just stop with this nonsense, Sunny is not a main character. Revaluate what you actually dislike about the novel and see if it's good for you. If you want the aforementioned OP main character who is always the center of the action and attention, go read the countless other novels on this site instead of writing false claims about the novel. ________________________________________________________________ This is basically the only complaint I see people have, and it's an absolutely unfounded complaint.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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    Bad_At1yr
    に返信 Oto

    Why do people keep having this misconception? Sorry if I seem harsh but are you an idiot Oto? Do you even know what a main character is and what a side character is? Here's a definition so you understand, "The main character is a central character who acts as the audience surrogate—we experience the story through their eyes. The main character is involved in the story, interacts with the secondary characters, and is personally impacted by the plot's main conflict." Do we see Nephis' internal monologs and thoughts? No. (Nephis is the FL they mention if anyone is wondering) Do we see the story at all from Nephis' eyes? No. Okay now, is Sunny involved in the story? Yes. (Sunny is the MC) Does Sunny interact with other secondary/side characters? Yes. Is Sunny personally impacted by the plot's main conflict? Yes. Do we see Sunny's internal monologs and thoughts? Yes. Do we see the majority of the story from Sunny's eyes? Yes. People need to realize, just because the events in a story don't always pivot around a main character, it doesn't suddenly make them a side character. The fact that you even have this complaint shows how uneducated you are. It's not like we don't get to see Sunny's actions and thoughts at all, and it's not like he isn't an impactful character. No, instead we basically see the story exclusively through Sunny's eyes, we follow him along his journey, whether that with a group or on his lonesome. I just don't see how people can have such a blatantly wrong misconception. If I had to guess why, it is because the world doesn't revolve around our MC. He isn't all-powerful, he doesn't attract all the attention, he isn't leading everyone to victory, he isn't always in the limelight. But I don't see a problem with that. Also, by spreading this dumb and incorrect view that Sunny is a side character, all you're doing is giving haters who simply want Sunny to be an OP character who leads everyone and saves the day (which he is not, thankfully) something to complain about and hide their desires behind. Just stop with this nonsense, Sunny is not a main character. Revaluate what you actually dislike about the novel and see if it's good for you. If you want the aforementioned OP main character who is always the center of the action and attention, go read the countless other novels on this site instead of writing false claims about the novel.

    Shadow Slave
    ファンタジー · Guiltythree
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